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The Jedi Council did not leave Shmi to be a slave. The outer rim is not their territory. That is just blaming them for doing nothing when others ( the Republic) could have done so. The Ashoka situation was political and even she agreed that no choice was had.
- Values aside, Anakin's growing frustration at the Jedi Order's openly detached attitude isn't unwarranted, since it harbors incompetence and causes more harm than good. It's especially egregious considering how the Jedi Code espouses compassion, so this attitude is completely antithetical to their way of life.
- Values aside, Anakin's growing frustration at the Jedi Order's openly detached attitude isn't unwarranted, since it harbors incompetence and causes more harm than good. It's especially egregious considering how the Jedi Code espouses compassion, so this attitude is completely antithetical to their way of life.
Again seemingly trying to absolve Anakin of his choice as his attachment lead to his fall.
- In a sense, Anakin's anger at Obi-Wan for Shmi's death holds some truth, if his emotions prevented him from making it out properly. Had Obi-Wan not dismissed Anakin's visions of the future beforehand, they might have been able to act sooner and saved her.
- In a sense, Anakin's anger at Obi-Wan for Shmi's death holds some truth, if his emotions prevented him from making it out properly. Had Obi-Wan not dismissed Anakin's visions of the future beforehand, they might have been able to act sooner and saved her.
Again no one was stopping Anakin from acting . He could have applied to the Republic asked Padme for aid. Placing blame seemingly to frame Anakin future choices in beter light.
- Anakin acting unconcerned if Count Dooku killed Queen Miraj may be against the Jedi Code, but who could blame him, honestly? Not only does she pridefully rule over a planet that practices slavery daily, an issue that understandably pisses Anakin off, she also captured his friends as a bargaining chip for Anakin to become her Sex Slave. Her slaves are also mistreated so badly that one even committed suicide. That said, since Anakin did express shock and upset over her death, he was likely bluffing.
- Anakin acting unconcerned if Count Dooku killed Queen Miraj may be against the Jedi Code, but who could blame him, honestly? Not only does she pridefully rule over a planet that practices slavery daily, an issue that understandably pisses Anakin off, she also captured his friends as a bargaining chip for Anakin to become her Sex Slave. Her slaves are also mistreated so badly that one even committed suicide. That said, since Anakin did express shock and upset over her death, he was likely bluffing.
Just excusing an action with a theory
- While his outburst showed that he wasn't ready for the job, Anakin's frustration at the Jedi Council for nonchalantly denying him the rank of "Master" is understandable, especially since he defeated Count Dooku just a day beforehand and turned the tide of the war in the Republic's favor. If the council wanted Anakin to comply, they should have at least explained their reasons more clearly to him. Had they done so, it could have even taught Anakin a lesson in humility.
- While his outburst showed that he wasn't ready for the job, Anakin's frustration at the Jedi Council for nonchalantly denying him the rank of "Master" is understandable, especially since he defeated Count Dooku just a day beforehand and turned the tide of the war in the Republic's favor. If the council wanted Anakin to comply, they should have at least explained their reasons more clearly to him. Had they done so, it could have even taught Anakin a lesson in humility.
As shown prior the rank is earned through trail not by feats. His pride was one of the factors of his fall.
Also Jedi did not stay in the way of Peace as after they are gone, well you get the empire who gave order on the graves of billions. Order is not peace
- When Mace cornered Palpatine, Anakin insisted that he be arrested to stand trial, even citing the Jedi way. Mace Windu doesn't listen to Anakin,
- When Mace cornered Palpatine, Anakin insisted that he be arrested to stand trial, even citing the Jedi way. Mace Windu doesn't listen to Anakin,
Anakin insisted on arresting Papatine because he believed that Papatine could save Padme. Hence why Palpatine tempted him with her survival. He acted because he needed Palpatine not about the Jedi way seeing as he had been critical of the Jedi council during the film and the Clone Wars
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** Anakin's grief towards the Jedi Council is justified. Despite years of loyal and grueling service, the council continue to treat him as a simple asset for their crusade, and are downright cruel at their worst. Similarly, Anakin's distrust is valid to an extent. [[ConceptsAreCheap For all the Jedi Order's influence and preachment]], they ended up doing some very shady things, such as: leave Shmi to be a slave under dangerous conditions, manipulate Anakin's grief when Obi-Wan [[FakingTheDead "died"]], and throw Ahsoka out of the Order when she was framed.
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** Values aside, Anakin's growing frustration at the Jedi Order's openly detached attitude isn't unwarranted, since it harbors incompetence and causes more harm than good. It's especially egregious considering how the Jedi Code ''espouses compassion'', so this attitude is completely antithetical to their way of life.
*** One good example is this [[Recap/StarWarsTheCloneWarsS2E6WeaponsFactory situation]]. When Ahsoka and Barriss fell into deadly trouble, Anakin's emotions compelled him to take immediate action. In contrast, Luminara's detachments initially [[SkewedPriorities made her focus on criticizing Anakin's outward concern, instead of helping the search team]]. Considering a Jedi's duty is to look out for their Padawans, Anakin's reaction was far more logical and moral.
** In a sense, Anakin's anger at Obi-Wan for Shmi's death holds some truth, [[TantrumThrowing if his emotions prevented him from making it out properly.]] Had Obi-Wan not dismissed Anakin's visions of the future beforehand, they might have been able to act sooner and saved her.
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** Values aside, Anakin's growing frustration at the Jedi Order's openly detached attitude isn't unwarranted, since it harbors incompetence and causes more harm than good. It's especially egregious considering how the Jedi Code ''espouses compassion'', so this attitude is completely antithetical to their way of life.One good example is this [[Recap/StarWarsTheCloneWarsS2E6WeaponsFactory situation]]. When Ahsoka and Barriss fell into deadly trouble, Anakin's emotions compelled him to take immediate action. In contrast, Luminara's detachments initially [[SkewedPriorities made her focus on criticizing Anakin's outward concern, instead of helping the search team]].
*** Considering a Jedi's duty is to look out for their Padawans, Anakin's reaction was far more logical and moral.
** In a sense, Anakin's anger at Obi-Wan for Shmi's death holds some truth, [[TantrumThrowing if his emotions prevented him from making it out properly.]] Had Obi-Wan not dismissed Anakin's visions of the future beforehand, they might have been able to act sooner and saved her.
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** Anakin acting unconcerned if Count Dooku killed Queen Miraj may be against the Jedi Code, but who could blame him, honestly? Not only does she pridefully rule over a planet that practices slavery daily, an issue that understandably pisses Anakin off, she also captured his friends as a bargaining chip for Anakin to become her SexSlave. Her slaves are also mistreated so badly that one even committed suicide. That said, since Anakin did express shock and upset over her death, he was likely bluffing.
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** For the unfinished "Crystal Crisis on Utapau" arc, he bluntly tells Obi-Wan that the Council gave Ahsoka no choice but to leave the Jedi Order, seeing as how quickly they threw her to Tarkin's non-existent mercy on flimsy evidence of guilt. [[NeverMyFault While Obi-Wan counters that Ahsoka's choice to leave was still her own]], Anakin raises up another point that it meant they failed as Ahsoka's Jedi mentors, especially in an emotional way.
** While his outburst showed that he wasn't ready for the job, Anakin's frustration at the Jedi Council for nonchalantly denying him the rank of "Master" is understandable, especially since he defeated Count Dooku just a day beforehand and turned the tide of the war in the Republic's favor. If the council wanted Anakin to comply, they should have at least explained their reasons more clearly to him. Had they done so, it could have even taught Anakin a lesson in humility.
*** Even more, once a Jedi Knight trains their Padawan to Knighthood, they become a Master. From Anakin's side of things, this means the Council already screwed him over this promotion by driving away Ahsoka.
*** Also, considering that the Council's reason for accepting Anakin as a member was solely so that they can "unofficially" use him as a spy towards Palpatine, Anakin wasn't exactly wrong to interpret such an act as "disrespectful" and "hypocritical".
** When temporarily corrupted by the Son, Anakin claims that the Jedi stand in the way of peace. While clearly stemming from an unsound mindset, there are strong merits to this statement. Not only does the Jedi Order allow highly dubious acts such as using Padawans as child soldiers, but they support the failing Republic and its equally poorly-planned actions (e.g. creating cloned humans to be a military force, ignoring the Outer Rim's immense problems, etc...). These actions are what largely led to the Empire's establishment.
** When Mace cornered Palpatine, Anakin insisted that he be arrested to stand trial, even citing the Jedi way. Mace Windu doesn't listen to Anakin, [[WrongForTheRightReasons and attempts to kill Palpatine after pointing out how much political power the Sith Lord holds]]. [[RightForTheWrongReasons Though mostly from being emotionally manipulated by Palpatine, Anakin's point is valid,]] considering how their Jedi Order is clearly unprepared to deal with the consequences of assassinating the Supreme Chancellor. Had the two Jedi acted less impulsively, they could have reached a better solution (ex: discussing the matter with every other Jedi Council member before taking decisive action).
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** For the unfinished "Crystal Crisis on Utapau" arc, he bluntly tells Obi-Wan that the Council gave Ahsoka no choice but to leave the Jedi Order, seeing as how quickly they threw her to Tarkin's non-existent mercy on flimsy evidence of guilt. [[NeverMyFault While Obi-Wan counters that Ahsoka's choice to leave was still her own]], Anakin raises up another point that it meant they failed as Ahsoka's Jedi mentors, especially in an emotional way.
** While his outburst showed that he wasn't ready for the job, Anakin's frustration at the Jedi Council for nonchalantly denying him the rank of "Master" is understandable, especially since he defeated Count Dooku just a day beforehand and turned the tide of the war in the Republic's favor. If the council wanted Anakin to comply, they should have at least explained their reasons more clearly to him. Had they done so, it could have even taught Anakin a lesson in humility.
*** Even more, once a Jedi Knight trains their Padawan to Knighthood, they become a Master. From Anakin's side of things, this means the Council already screwed him over this promotion by driving away Ahsoka.
*** Also, considering that the Council's reason for accepting Anakin as a member was solely so that they can "unofficially" use him as a spy towards Palpatine, Anakin wasn't exactly wrong to interpret such an act as "disrespectful" and "hypocritical".
** When temporarily corrupted by the Son, Anakin claims that the Jedi stand in the way of peace. While clearly stemming from an unsound mindset, there are strong merits to this statement. Not only does the Jedi Order allow highly dubious acts such as using Padawans as child soldiers, but they support the failing Republic and its equally poorly-planned actions (e.g. creating cloned humans to be a military force, ignoring the Outer Rim's immense problems, etc...). These actions are what largely led to the Empire's establishment.
** When Mace cornered Palpatine, Anakin insisted that he be arrested to stand trial, even citing the Jedi way. Mace Windu doesn't listen to Anakin, [[WrongForTheRightReasons and attempts to kill Palpatine after pointing out how much political power the Sith Lord holds]]. [[RightForTheWrongReasons Though mostly from being emotionally manipulated by Palpatine, Anakin's point is valid,]] considering how their Jedi Order is clearly unprepared to deal with the consequences of assassinating the Supreme Chancellor. Had the two Jedi acted less impulsively, they could have reached a better solution (ex: discussing the matter with every other Jedi Council member before taking decisive action).
